If you think AI is all about saving time and cutting corners, think again. 

In this conversation with futurist Bob Johansen, we explore how AI can be used as a thinking partner – to help you generate ideas, build clarity, and make better decisions in a chaotic, unpredictable world. Bob argues that the real power of AI lies in augmented intelligence, not artificial intelligence. 

Bob Johansen is a distinguished fellow with the Institute for the Future in Silicon Valley. For more than 50 years, Bob has helped organisations around the world prepare for and shape the future. He has written 15 books and his latest one Navigating the Age of Chaos, is out on October 28. 

He walks us through:– The key skill that will future-proof your career– How to use AI to get unstuck and think more creatively– Why clarity beats certainty in a BANI world (Brittle, Anxious, Nonlinear, and Incomprehensible)– The leadership traits needed to thrive in the AI-first decade 

Whether you’re excited about AI or sceptical, this episode will shift your mindset and give you a roadmap for working with AI, not against it. 

Want to learn more about AI upskilling? Check out this episode with Neo Aplin on how to go from AI gunslinger to AI architect on Spotify and Apple Podcasts. 

Bob’s new book Navigating the Age of Chaos: A Sense-Making Guide to a BANI World That Doesn’t Make Sense is out October 28. Pre-order it here   

Key quotes 

“Ten years from now, almost all leaders will be augmented or you’ll be out of the game.” 

“I don’t trust AI for answers. I use it to stretch my mind.”